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Raoul Pal: crypto-tech super cycle could run until 2030
Pal argues the current cycle resembles the early tech boom years, before the real acceleration happened, and could keep running until 2030.
AI summary of “Raoul Pal: The Next Crypto Bull Run Will Last Until 2030”
Key takeaways
- Raoul Pal says the debt rollover cycle points to roughly Q2 2027, but he thinks the broader crypto-tech super cycle runs until around 2030.
- Pal compares the current period to the early years of the tech boom, before the real acceleration happened.
- He argues society "cannot go another year without" zero-knowledge proof digital ID or the internet and society will break.
- Pal still views Bitcoin as a monetary, collateral asset like digital gold, but says it has become "boring" with nothing new to discuss.
- He flags Sui as his one infrastructure bet, citing the team and zero-cost stablecoins for the agentic economy, while admitting no one truly knows which network wins.
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Still views it as digital gold/collateral asset but says it's become boring
“I think the whole digital gold idea works well. I think it's a collateral asset that is attractive over time.”
His one infrastructure bet; cites team quality and zero-cost stablecoin use case
“I've only got one of those bets, which is Sui as I know. And I'm on the foundation.”
Cited as an example of buying only after a large drop, price rise linked to Iran BTC seizure
“the seizure of Bitcoin, um the Iranian Bitcoin, which coincided with the T-cash's price rise”
Called easier pick, fast and cheap, a great protocol
“I'll just buy Solana. It's fast, it's cheap. They do a great job. It's great protocol.”
Pal sees a multi-year super cycle, not a simple bear-market recovery
Discussing whether the recent downturn was a proper bear market from liquidity withdrawal or just a large correction, Raoul Pal says it is hard to call because it depends on the dollar, rates and liquidity conditions. He notes the debt rollover is 5.8 years, which "would give us probably until Q2 2027." But he goes further, arguing the whole crypto and tech complex is in a broader super cycle that "doesn't stop" and "keeps going till 2030," comparing the current moment to the early years of the technology boom, before the real acceleration took hold.
Pal and the host discuss how hard it is to hold through drawdowns even when the long-term chart looks obvious in hindsight. Pal points to Microsoft, Amazon and Meta's long-term log regression channels, noting they've had repeated 50% drawdowns without complaint because people see them as compounders, whereas "people just haven't still got their heads around crypto yet."
"The moment to buy AI is not when everything pumps like crazy. It's when no one gave a [expletive] or when there is a massive correction afterwards." — a guest
Digital ID as the next crypto primitive; Bitcoin called "boring"; Sui as Pal's infrastructure bet
Asked what crypto primitive comes after Bitcoin, Ethereum, stablecoins, tokenization, DeFi and AI, Pal answers zero-knowledge proof digital ID, saying he has pushed Amazon, Microsoft and Meta on this since 2020-2021 without them agreeing a common standard.
"We cannot [expletive] We cannot go another year without it. We simply can't." — Raoul Pal
On Bitcoin, Pal says his model hasn't changed: it remains a digital gold-like collateral asset, citing the seizure of Iranian Bitcoin alongside Zcash's price rise as a signal, and says sovereign wealth funds remain interested while privacy grows in importance. Asked why no one talks about Bitcoin specifically anymore, he says "it's boring," comparing it to gold podcasts with nothing new to say, and confirms he still holds his one Bitcoin.
On which networks become lasting infrastructure versus narrative, Pal admits "who the [expletive] knows," but says Sui is his one bet given the team, exceptional technology, and use cases like zero-cost stablecoins for the "agentic economy," while acknowledging Solana is a "great protocol" that is simply fast and cheap.
Written by AI from the video's transcript. It can compress, misattribute or miss context — the original video is the source. Not investment advice.
